boomer
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Post by boomer on Oct 19, 2006 0:02:07 GMT -5
Is it me or does anyone else have problems with the newer kits that come out, it seems like that every one i get there is a fit issue of some sort, it could just be me i dont know.
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mick2911
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Post by mick2911 on Oct 19, 2006 13:23:49 GMT -5
It's not just new kits that don't fit properly, some of the older ones too. I'm building a Lindburg 61 Impala convertable at the minute. The rear lower valance had to be cut in half and shortened as it was 1mm wider then the body.
Mick
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boomer
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Post by boomer on Oct 22, 2006 0:00:39 GMT -5
I know its definalty frustrating i am also trying to build an Impala kit and i am having trouble fitting the interior tub and the body right.
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Post by weeeg on Oct 22, 2006 8:50:49 GMT -5
Well i always have.........It must be a new Company rule that employees have to leave important parts out like the wheels or engine!.......lol
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boomer
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Post by boomer on Oct 22, 2006 12:01:50 GMT -5
Also vague on the instructions for the kit.
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mick2911
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Post by mick2911 on Oct 23, 2006 13:49:45 GMT -5
>:(Oh....Don't talk about instructions.........or should it be destructions?   The instructions that came with my 67 Z28 from AMT were for an earlier version of the kit. And I've been told that the instructions on the new Revell 06 Mustang are wrong too.  Don't it just make you  ANGRY Mick |
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Post by Weird Willie on Oct 23, 2006 18:14:56 GMT -5
The biggest problem with the kit instructions is that the person(s) writing them isn’t a model builder. I spent over 30 years in Engineering and I did my fair share of writing procedures/instructions on various types of electronic equipment. What I use to do was to disassemble the product and then I began writing on how to put it together while I was reassembling it. After I was finished writing I would turn it over to a Technician to assemble it per my written instructions and I would make any necessary changes  And as for parts not fitting….well you have to remember that some of the kits are still being produced from tooling that was made back in the 60s’, 70’s & 80’s. And by now they’re showing wear simple by not fitting as they should. Even back then they weren’t quite fitting right |
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Post by weeeg on Oct 25, 2006 11:09:58 GMT -5
Oh....Don't talk about instructions.........or should it be destructions? Yeah i think that phrase is much better........ive destroyed more kits than i care to imagine...Why dont we make a new group......Modelers Against Cr**y Kits ....Mack? Anyone ? |
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mick2911
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Post by mick2911 on Oct 25, 2006 12:52:36 GMT -5
A question for everyone out there...... Who builds a kit how and in the order that the instruction say to build it? I personally only use them for reference for where the parts go, but I build them in the order that I want too.  Who else does that??? Mick  |
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Post by crockett on Oct 26, 2006 16:06:01 GMT -5
Hey guys,
Injection molding.....a science? I can tell you without a doubt that there is no more finicky manufacturing process around. Key variables at the molding press are the quality regulators. The molds may be dimensionally accurate, but how the material formulation, temperature, normalization etc. are controlled is the key to "fit up". The capital invested in these quality measurables dictates the satisfaction of the end user. Obviously, Mr. Tamiya has made those investments, and passed on the cost to us to maintain his margin. Korean and Chinese manufacturers obviously have not deemed it necessary to add that kind of value to the processes.
That being said, there is justification in the challenge of making something good out of bad. Modeling is still modelling. I mean, a "fall together" project may not be challenging enough for some.
Steve
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Post by cdntanker25 on Oct 28, 2006 9:03:13 GMT -5
I agree with steve! Sounds like you're talking about a newly tooled Dragon Armour kit!! LOL didn't know the problems happened with cars! But, as Steve said, it wouldn't be a challenge or half as fun as something you want to break thousands of times over before you get it right! I couldn't tell you how many times I have thrown a part against the wall, only having to find it and try to fix it, and then use it! It's all part of the fun guys!
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mick2911
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Post by mick2911 on Oct 28, 2006 10:16:39 GMT -5
I have to agree there too. The injection moulding process is not as easy as people think. The tools are very expensive and the more detailed the item, is reflected in the cost. A couple of mates of mine work in the business, one in the tool making side and one in the production side. A small tool can cost in excess of £10,000, that's a fairly basic one. Imagine how much these more complexed and detailed ones cost!
It's all down to the kit manufacturer on how good a kit they want to produce and how much they want to pay for the tools.
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Post by cdntanker25 on Oct 29, 2006 21:03:42 GMT -5
that's exactly it! However, a smart company would see that a cost that's a little lower would be more beneficial as it would intice more sales, thus making up for the loss LOL that's it for the economics class! LOL... Look at Dragon and Tamiya for us military guys.. Dragon has produced some new kits like their Abrams which are far superior to anything, with new tooling and everything, yeah it's 45 bucks, but with all the bits of extras you get, the detail level that can't be surpassed, it makes even a 5 year old Tamiya kit look disgusting, which is probably about 20 bucks more! I just got the Tamiya Challenger 2 which was 6, and has less bits than the Abrams... two different tanks, but the quality is all in the price that's for sure!
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